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09-10-00
Don't Mourn the Kursk Too Much

The Kursk's dark mission

K-141 is down. The Kursk, an Antyey type 949A nuclear attack submarine, was lost in the Barents Sea. The Kursk, one of eight active Oscar II class submarines, was the pride of the Russian navy and the leading edge of the new Northern Fleet.

Commissioned in 1995, the Kursk was the Northern Fleet's most powerful weapon. It made a high-profile voyage to the Mediterranean in September 1999 and was due to return later this year as part of a planned Russian nuclear task group deployment to the Middle East. The August Russian naval exercise in the Barents Sea was designed to provide the West with good reason to remember the Kursk.

Reports now show the exercise was intended to showcase the Kursk as she performed her two primary roles, killing American carriers and Submarines. The Russian navy exercise also drew a small crowd of interested observers in the form of two U.S. Los Angeles attack submarines, loitering in the shallow polar sea over 50 miles from the Kursk.

That fateful morning the Kursk reportedly completed a successful firing of her main killer, the Chelomey Granit missile, NATO code-named SS-N-19 Shipwreck. The Kursk and her sister boats carry 24 Shipwreck missiles. The missiles are stored on each side of the huge submarine in banks of 12, hidden between the layers of the boat's thick twin hull skin. The Shipwreck >missiles are stored in launching tubes external to the inner pressure hull where the 118 crewmembers worked and lived.

The Shipwreck missile fired by the Kursk that Saturday morning contained a 1,600-pound conventional warhead. It reportedly scored a direct hit against a Russian hulk target over 200 miles away. The Shipwreck is intended to strike U.S. carriers but can also be targeted against U.S. cities. Russian naval sources indicate that the Shipwreck missile can be armed with an H-bomb warhead equal to one half million tons of TNT,more than enough to flatten Los Angeles or New York City.

That fateful August Saturday, in the dim afternoon light of the arctic summer sun, the Kursk began her last performance, the simulated destruction of a U.S. submarine using the 100-RU Veder missile. The Veder, NATO code-named SS-N-16A Stallion, is a rocket-boosted torpedo. The Stallion is launched from the huge 26-inch diameter torpedo tubes installed on each Oscar II class submarine.

The Stallion is so secret that no picture of the weapon has ever been published. The Stallion is fired from the submarine's torpedo tube but flies like a missile. The Stallion rocket booster ignites underwater once the weapon is clear of the submarine, sending the missile to the surface. The missile then flies to the target under rocket power where it finally ejects a lightweight torpedo at supersonic speed.

The mini-torpedo then uses its own little parachute, slowing to drop gently into the water directly above the target. The mini-torpedo then homes in on the target submarine for the final kill. The conventional Stallion fired by the Kursk was armed with a mini-220 pound explosive warhead. Jane's Defense reports that the missile can also be armed with a mini-nuclear warhead equal to 200,000 tons of TNT.

According to Jane's, the last moments of the Kursk were recorded as she prepared to fire the Stallion. Seismologists in Norway told Jane's that a monitoring station registered two explosions at the time the Kursk sank. The first registered 1.5 on the Richter scale. A second, stronger explosion measuring 3.5 on the Richter scale equivalent to one to two tons of TNT was recorded just over two minutes later.

The Stallion rocket motor may have ignited inside the sealed torpedo tube just before firing. The Stallion may have jammed itself inside the torpedo tube as it was fired. In any event, the underwater rocket appears to have ignited inside the inner manned pressure hull.

The force of the Stallion rocket motor would have twisted the huge torpedo tube, melting through the metal walls within seconds. Just enough time for alarms to sound and men to die. Then the small 220-pound warhead exploded, blowing a gaping hole in the twisted skin of the attack submarine. The submarine immediately fell forward as the icy water rushed to fill the forward weapon bay.

The last moments of the Kursk and most of her crew were filled with fire and ice as the vessel plunged into the cold arctic depths. The rush of cold water did not extinguish the fire since the Stallion rocket booster was designed to burn without air. The exploding warhead would have sent huge flaming chunks of the rocket booster into the forward weapon control room.

The force of the 14,000-ton submarine striking the bottom on the damaged torpedo bay was the final blow, detonating one of the many weapons inside upon impact. The force of the explosion inside the twin hull submarine ripped the starboard side open back to the sail. The manned areas forward of the reactor compartment, including the control room and living quarters, rapidly flooded, leaving no time for personnel in those compartments to escape.

This may not be the end of the story. There are now suggestions that the West should help Russia raise the Kursk. Yet, despite being broke, Russia continues to build and deploy the Oscar II submarine force. There are seven active Oscar II class boats. The latest, K-530 the Belgorod, is still under construction at the Severodvinsk Shipyard. Budget cutbacks have slowed progress on the boat to a standstill but construction continues. There are rumors that China is interested in buying K-530.

The Kursk sailed the Mediterranean in late 1999 as a show of flag to Russian allies such as Syria, Libya and Serbia. At the same time the Kursk was touring the Mediterranean in 1999, a Pacific Fleet Oscar II submarine was quietly cruising the western seaboard of the United States, within missile range of California, Oregon and Washington.

While we all mourn the passing of K-141 and her crew, we should also reflect on exactly what her mission was.

Ralph D. Kennedy
http//members.tripod.com/~Ralph_Kennedy/index.html

07-16-00
FALLEN COMRADE:
It saddens me to report that SFr Ray Hilderbrand passed away this past week. Ray's funeral will be Tuesday in Cantonment Florida, with the burial to follow at Barrancas National Cemetery. Services will begin at Noon.. The Obit is in the Sunday Pensacola News Journal.. Anyone wanting details on the service are more than welcome to contact me at 850-456-5984.. home or 850-434-9110 work. Ray spent endless hours working in community programs and his loss will effect many lives... Thought everyone would want to know..
With Regrets -- Charlie Wulzer -- ASA/INSCOM 69-91 1SG Ret

06-30-00
NSA Commemorates Korean War ASA Vets
http://nsa.gov/korea/index.html

06-24-00
From Irving A. Bailey, Master Sergeant U.S. Army Retired
My E Mail Address incizor-fhs@juno.com
Call it coincidence or just plain luck that I came across your web site... and ... Reading your web pages brought back many memories to me of my assignments in the ASA, during the Vietnam War. During my 30 years in the U.S. Army I wore many hats, such as communications operator , Morse code operator, teletype writer operator, field communications NCO, Communications center supervisor, Plt or section NCOIC, Communications instructor, Signal Battalion Supervisor, Army recruiter, Company 1st Sergeant, Assistant recruiting area commander, Professional Development NCOIC, and Battalion Operations NCOIC.

After 30 years I retired from the U.S. Army in 1987. For 13 years I put away my past memories, and just recently I came across a box in the attic with my old military records and awards and things. After looking at my old military paper records. I decided that I need to make 3 Military Display cases on my military service, that I can give to my family.

The first of the three Display cases would document my military career prior to 1966. From my entry into military service to my years in Germany with the 3rd Sqdn, 2nd Armd Cav, 7th Corps, and 7th US Army.

My Second Military Display Case is the most important to me. I will start this display case with my orders that I received in December, 1965, assigning me to the 303rd ASA Battalion, Fort Carson USA. After a delay in leaving Germany, my orders were amended to assign me to the 330th ASA Fort Wolters Texas. When I arrived at Fort Wolters in March 1966, the unit was already alerted to be shipped to Vietnam. So I spent the entire summer helping to deploy the 330th to Vietnam. Because I was late arriving from Germany they had already filled my slot with another solder and I did not ship out with them. (PS I was glad because they shipped out by troop ship, and I had arrived from Germany months before on the US S Gieger Troop Ship, crossing the Atlantic.) . So I stayed at Fort Walters TX, and was reassigned to the new 311th ASA Bn Hqs At Fort Wolters TX. Needless to say my state side luck ran out in a few weeks and I found my self assigned to the 374th RR Co Vietnam. I shipped out from Fort Wolters TX and was in Vietnam reporting into the 509th Group Hqs, Saigon Vietnam in October of 1966. After processing in at the 509th Group Hqs, I went to Na Trang to the 313 th Bn Hs. in November 1966. Things at the 313th Bn were kin da primitive then, they did not even have space for us to live at, so we lived off base while we processed in. On thing that I liked about Na Trang was the great beach, and swimming. My stay at the 313th Bn Hqs was a short one.

A few days after my arrival in Na Trang I was off to my new assignment, The 374th Radio Research Company , Cam Enari (the dust bowl), AT Pleiku VN,. Strange as it may now seem I did enjoy myself at the 374th. I " SSG Irving Bailey," was assigned as NCOIC Communications Center and NCOIC HFRadio Communications Operations. I spent time traveling to my men stationed at the Detachments. At times I traveled by myself by jeep to the Dets. I was lucky I never had an conflict or incident on the road. We did endure an occasional mortar and rocket attack at base camp.

I spent about 7 months with the 374th RR Co. and in the Summer of 1967 I was assigned to the 371st RR Co at An Khe Vietnam. The same job title, NCOIC Communications Center and NCOIC HFRT Radio Communications. The 371st RR Co was more active than the 371st, Our unit was located behind a large chopper landing pad, Although was stationed at the base camp I had men at 3 detachments, one of my detachements was almost overrun. I have fond memories of the men I worked with at the 371st RR Co at An Khe. Later we relocated to Camp Evans. I don't remember if it was at Camp Evans or Phuoc Vinh, that our operations officer Captain Casey was killed by a Vietnames incoming rocket, I will always remember that day. Capt Casey was a good person, and a fine officer.

My last move was when we the 371st RR Co relocated to Phuoc Vinh, in November and the next few months our base camp location in Phuoc Vinh, was not to stable we endured numberous motar and rocket attacts to our compound. But needles to say that I will never forget my experience in Vietnam assigned to the 371st RR Co. I will never forget my officers and fellow ncos and the best dam troops that I have ever served with in the US Army. (To include Col John J. McFadden, Commander 509th RR Group). In December of 1968 I reported to the 509th Group Hqs Saigon Vietnam for my next assignment out of Vietnam. By 1 Jan 1969 I was gone from Vietnam. I spent the next year assigned to the 508th ASA Group Hqs in Seoul Korea, Jann 1969 to Feb 1970. I returned to the states in 1970 after being out of the country for 5 plus years.

From Feb 1970 to June 1974 I was an Instructor A the US Army ASA Traning Center and School Fort Devens Ma. (Where in 1970 Col. John J. McFadden was Commandant of the School). I made a career change and left ASA in 1974 for the Recruiting Command.

My inquire is that while in Vietnam - from October 1966 to December 1968, Did any of the units that I was assigned to receive an awards and credits;
1. The 374th RR Co , in support of the 4th Infantry Division.
2. The 371st RR Co, in support of the 1st Cav Division.
3. The 313th RR Bn, our parent Battalion in support of the 1st Field Force.
4. The 509th RR Group in support of MACV and the assigned units. Did any of these awards filter down to the units that I was assigned to. My last question is this has any of the persons asssigned to the 374th RRCo and 371st RR Co. made inquiries to your we site????
Please Reply, My E-Mail Address incizor-fhs@juno.com
06-11-00
Do you have any information on the small group of overseas experienced E-4s and E-5s that set up the unit and helped the new Fort Devens ops get their feet wet in the first year of existence (June 62-June63) I read a lot of the VN experience..what I have not read is how and why the unit was formed. I was either the first or second E-4 to report to Camp Wolters I think on 29 June 62..two days before the unit offically became a unit. There was a small core of overseas experienced 058s, 059s TA types who trained the newly schooled troops. In I think Sept. A SSgt Walker joined our unit and joined our car pool. SSgt Walker had just returned from a 13 month tour in Viet Nam. He huddled all of the married off post platoon guys together one day and explained why the 330th was "camping out at night", "doing 10 and 15 mile "strolls" in the Texas Countryside". He advised the married guys to get back overseas or get out unless we wanted to end up in Nam . I got out and tried re-upping in the Air force but they would not give me the E-5 rank I left the army as. I went to work for NSA in 1966 and met a few of the guys rotating through some of the NSA schools that were offered. I can remember some names and some stories...the night the off post platoon went home and reported back the next morning only to find out all of the company had been sent to Florida due to the missile crisis...only problem...we had the equipment and vans and we were the experienced ops so we set up our equp, worked 7 days a week and made a contribution to the effort..the whole thing was run by a CWO how for the life of me I cant remember his name..I would be interested in any early names and addresses you have. I am SP/5 Allan J. Bagnall 058.3 RA 16-669-179..Loved every minute of the ASA and my NSA experience...I made a small impact on things, especially during my NSA days.
Allan J. Bagnall

06-10-00
Pass me the airsick bag Clyde.......
WAKE UP NEWS MEDIA...ASSAD was NOTHING but a tinhorn DICTATOR..a muderous thug along the lines of Saddam Hussein. QUIT making the punk out to be some kind of saint.. He was a LIFE LONG ENEMY of the USofA.
Rot in Hell Assad. Save a seat for Fidel.
-maddog

06-04-00
Memorial Day 2000,
W.W. Kananen, Commander
American Legion Post 468
344 Dorsey Rd. Greece NY 14616
wkanane1@rochester.rr.com

We gather not to celebrate war; ...Not to glorify combat; But to remember those who sacrificed for the sake of our country.

Despite all our platitudes, ... despite all our good intentions, ...despite our religious and moral convictions, ... the threat of war and the outbreak of war is a continual part of our lives.

It may not be what we as individuals want, ... But as members of the international community it is beyond our ability to control.

Today put aside the question "WHY?" and remember those who served honorably.

World War I, the war to end all wars. Over 8 million combat deaths. 117 Thousand from the American expeditionary Force.

World War II over 61 million combatants died. 405 thousand were American service personnel.

Korea, 37 thousand US Service people died.

Vietnam, 58 thousand US Service people died. If you can not visualize 58 thousand, ...the Moving Wall, a replica of the Vietnam Memorial, will be at the Ferris Goodridge American Legion Post, July 9th to the 16th. See what it looks like when names replace numbers.

The Persian Gulf war 299 US Service people died. The list continues to grow but the nature of conflict continually changes.

With the breakup of the Soviet Union the threat has not diminished. In actuality it has increased. With the proliferation of nuclear weapons our nation and our armed services face not only the prospect of mutually assured destruction but also the prospect of limited and damaging nuclear attack.

This is the new frontier of international relations and the reality faced by many of the people ... who have served ... and are now serving in our armed forces.

Nations with nuclear capabilities consist of foes, allies and friends. All of which must be monitored to prevent accident or worse yet, to head off events that would turn nuclear paranoia into reality, the war to end all wars.

These are the people I focus on today. For the sake of our communities, ... our nation, ... our constitution ... and our rule of law these men and women of our armed services sacrifice their youth, their naivety and is some cases their lives.

You will not hear their stories for they are bound by the National Secrets Act not to disclose the nature of their service for a minimum of ten years. They can not find relief in camaraderie and conversation. They do not have access to information that would allow them to make sense of their experience.

This is not easy duty. There is perceived danger. Some of our service people face nuclear war on a daily basis ... not knowing if what they are witnessing is the beginning of the end or just a test.

There is physical danger, ...many have lost their lives. Some of the incidents are public knowledge ... such as the June 8, 1967, attack on the USS Liberty by elements of the Israeli air and navel forces. Thirty-four men lost their lives.

January 23, 1968 ...the USS Pueblo is attacked and hijacked in international waters by elements of the North Korean air and navel forces. One man killed and several wounded. The eighty-two surviving crew members were held prisoner for 11 months.

Most incidents remain unpublicized. You have not heard of the 1959 incident, ... MP's transporting secret documents and diplomatic dispatches from the Red Sea port of Missawa to the intelligence gathering installation in the Eritrean city of Asmara ... When stopped by bandits they had to use their side arms and fight their way free preventing their secret documents from falling into the wrong hands.

You have not heard of the 1975 incident, ... two Navy signal men kidnapped from this same installation and held in captivity for a year and a half.

You have not heard of the many aircraft that due to mechanical failure, weather, or hostile action have been lost with all souls on board.

The risks and the dangers can not deter these silent warriors from being always vigilant. The consequences of not knowing are too grave.

I don't know what it's like today but I can tell you what it was like 30 years ago.

Our aircraft detected increased communications activity at a Soviet launch site. A missile launch is imminent. Radar and electronic tracking stations are placed on alert.

The horn sounds. You know the drill. The mission is to direct the antenna to the anticipated trajectory of a warhead traveling to a test range in the Pacific.

You know the sequence of evens. The missile rises out of the atmosphere. The warhead separates into multiple reentry vehicles ... each capable of carrying a nuclear weapon.

You hear and feel the antenna swing into position and begin following the anticipated track. You sit at your station headphones pressed to your ears, starring intently at the receiver, waiting for the telemetry that identifies a test warhead. Then you hear "Sig up" indicating the warhead is transmitting telemetry and following the trajectory to the test range. A collective sigh of relief is heard as people go about their business.

That is a good day. A bad day is when the warhead doesn't transmit telemetry. You don't know it's a test until you get the order to stand down.

The days that drain you emotionally are when there are multiple launches and no telemetry detected. Is this it? Is this Armageddon? Your only relief is prayer. "Oh God please let this be a test. All I want is to complete this tour and go home. Will Home still be there?"

You know your remote installation will survive but what will be left? You wait, headphones pressed to your ears listening intently, your eyes looking for any trace of telemetry. You sweat it out until you finally get the order to stand down. Those are the days you never forget.

Today we honor the memory of those who have made the ultimate sacrifice in the service of our country.

Let us also remember those who have faced combat and survived.

Let us also remember those who have faced what to most is the subject of nightmares or disturbing movies.

05-26-00
INSCOM Memorial Service:
From Dennis Buley:
Mike
Just got back from ceremony. INSCOM did something really nice today. They fixed the ASA soldier by moving Strawn's name to join the other Left Jab crewmen (also fixed spelling). They've also built a second INSCOM memorial near the ASA Soldier. This is a largeblack slab, says INSCOM on one side. The other side has the names of six INSCOM personnel who have been killed. Five from the ARL crash last year and a MAJ who was killed on Pan Am 103.

Nice ceremony. The US Army band was there, MG Noonan (INSCOM CG and soon to be Army DCSINT) presided and spoke. He mentioned ASA several times. Many relatives of the deceased were present as were a Congressman and several Congressional staffers. LTG (ret) Weinstein (Ex-DCSINT) was there along with an active duty MG that I don't know. Wreaths were placed at both memorials, Noonan putting one at the INSCOM memorial while the INSCOM Command Sergeant Major (didn't get name) put one at the ASA statue. LTG Kennedy did not appear until after TAPS was played and it was announced that the proceedings were concluded. She then joined MG Noonan is shaking the hands of the relatives of the ARL crew. I don't know if she was late or did not want to mingle with the hordes of COLs and the other brass given the sexual harassment story. Her last day on active duty is 2 June.

05-24-00
From "Don Cooper"
To
Subject New book by ex-ASAer
For Immediate Release

C TRICK Sort of a Memoir
Before Vietnam was Berlin. For a generation that came of age in the 1960s, the Cold War was a constant, unrelenting presence. Fifty years ago, the Cold War began in Berlin with the Berlin Airlift. In 1961, the Berlin Wall was built, splitting the city into communist East and capitalist West. Even after the shooting stopped in Vietnam, Berlin continued to be the focus of the East-West conflict until the Wall finally came down in 1989, ending the Cold War. In "C Trick Sort of a Memoir" (ISBN 0-9670176-1-0, Pale Bone Publishing, May 2000; 288 pages; $24.00 hardcover), author Don Cooper offers insight into the lives of Vietnam-era soldiers who didn't go to Southeast Asia. Unlike their counterparts in the jungles of Vietnam, Cooper and his fellow members of C Trick did not carry rifles; their weapons were radio receivers and tape recorders. No shots fired in their war, but it was fought 24 hours a day, seven days a week, year in and year out. The book is an affectionate and humorous recollection about the people of C Trick, how they looked at the world around them and their place in it. "C Trick Sort of a Memoir" examines the relationships of a group of young men who, for just a short time, shared their lives. "C Trick Sort of a Memoir" is irreverent and bawdy, and captures the spirit of a turbulent time.
ABOUT THE AUTHOR
Don Cooper was raised in southwestern Arkansas. After service as a German linguist with the U.S. Army Security Agency in Berlin, he earned a bachelor's degree in history from Henderson State University in Arkadelphia, Arkansas. He later did post-graduate studies at the East Texas State University branch in Texarkana, Texas, and studied creative writing at Amarillo (Texas) College. During his career in journalism, which spans nearly three decades and six states, Cooper has won numerous professional awards for feature and editorial writing, political columns and editorial cartooning. He also won awards for his pencil sketches in art shows in New Mexico. With the release of "C Trick Sort of a Memoir," he is completing work on a novel, tentatively entitled "Slap Happy Arkansas." His short fiction has been published in several publications; his book reviews and columns are often distributed by The Associated Press; and he contributes political cartoons and book reviews to Texas Observer. . Cooper and his wife, Annette, and their nine dogs, ten cats and potbellied pig live in the Texas Panhandle, where he's editor/cartoonist of the Hereford Brand.
For information ctrick@wtrt.net

05-16-00
The Smoking Gun:
excerpted from:
The Military Intelligence Story A Photographic History by John P. Finnegan

IN RESPONSE TO A REQUEST FROM THE Secretary of the Army to analyze the structure of Military Intelligence, the Army Chief of Staff directed that the Army undertake a Intelligence Organization and Stationing Study (IOSS). The study was undertaken by a panel chaired by Major General James J. Ursano. The board released its report in 1975. Its findings were highly critical of the existing state of affairs within military intelligence. Army intelligence production, it concluded, was fragmented, and the Army�s intelligence staff not properly aligned to meet its responsibilities. The panel was especially critical of ASA: the organization�s compartmentalized and verticalized structure had artificially kept signals intelligence from the general intelligence flow, largely excluded the rest of the Army from involvement in the field of electronic warfare, and denied tactical commanders control of intelligence resources.

The Ursano board�s recommendations, which were largely carried out by the Army Staff, fundamentally restructured Army intelligence. ASA, with its traditional vertical command structure, was broken up. Its school, research and development activity, and tactical units were resubordinated and integrated into the normal Army command structure. The remaining nucleus of ASA was merged with USAINTA and with a number of small intelligence production elements to form a new Major Army Command (MACOM), the U. S. Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM). INSCOM, which became operational in 1977, was tasked with performing multi- discipline intelligence, security, and electronic warfare functions at the Echelon Above Corps (EAC).

At the tactical level, former ASA assets were merged with other military intelligence resources to form multi- discipline combat electronic warfare and intelligence (CEWI) units. The CEWI units were designed to give better support to commanders in the field by integrating all Army intelligence and security disciplines into single formations tailored to support divisions and corps. The new- type units simplified command arrangements, lessened the problem of artificial compartmentation of intelligence, and enhanced the Army�s capabilities in the field of electronic warfare.
(shhhh! don't tell anybody..but Eudora sez the maddog is back.............)
crazydog (Phil Hogle) got busy with the rapidly growing ASATEXAS org so its back in the doghouse for the dog. I miss him already..... this is too much like WORK!!!! THANX PHIL...yuk yuk...If you live in the Lone Star State..be sure and connect with Phil and the ASATEXAS gang.. a good bunch of guys doing good things and having fun doing it.
Ya cant beat that.

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